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hillary clinton decides not to run. that's unlikely. if that ever happened, ladies and gentlemen, i offer to host the deval patrick, elizabeth warren. state of the union with candy crowley starts now. the world on fire. from the middle east to ukraine to libya. power players from the hot spots. today, from tel-aviv, israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, doctor mohamed, adviser to the palestinian president on the deadly battle in gaza. >> the whole world is watching a tragic moment after tragic moment unfold and wondering when is everybody going to come to their senses. >> then, an exclusive with the president's national security adviser about threats to u.s.
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security in iraqi uncertain world. former minister, pablo on ukrainian efforts to secure the crash site backing russian rebels. then -- >> i want the russian people to feel pain in response to the pain they have caused. >> republican senator lindsay gram and nancy pelosi give us their takes in back-to-back exclusives. when the u.s. talks, who listens. this is "state of the union." good morning from washington. i'm candy crowley. after a pause in fighting saturday, israel resumed its offensive in gaza today. now, hamas says it wants a cease-fire after initially rejecting one. joining me now, israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu. mr. prime minister, it is good to see you this morning. thank you for your time. will you accept this cease-fire as you understand hamas seems to
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support? >> well, hamas doesn't accept its own cease-fire. it's continued to fire at us. israel accepted five cease-fires since this conflict began. five. we accepted and implemented including two humanitarian cease-fires which hamas rejected as they rejected the other cease-fires. you say israel resumed its offense. no, we didn't resume. we had a cease-fire, they violated it. now, they are violating their own cease-fire. obviously, we will take whatever action is necessary to protect our people, including against the tunnels they are trying to dig against us. hamas is simply continuing all its operation. israel will not let this terror operation decide when it's convenient for them and not convenient for them to attack our people. when it's convenient to stock
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and reload. >> to be certain i understand, did someone from the u.n. or elsewhere come to you and say hamas agreed to a cease-fire and here are the terms of it or are you just hearing this and then seeing what's happening in gaza and know there is no cease-fire? >> well, as i say, there were two cease-fires, humanitarian cease-fires broken by the u.n. in the last 24 hours, which we agree hamas violated. we maintain, we allow trucks to go in and so on for relief, food, drugs, everything else that is needed in such cases. hamas violated it. now, hamas floated it wants a cease-fire beginning at 2:00 and they attacked us after that. they are violating their own cease-fire. under these circumstances, israel will do what it must do to defend its people. >> your defensemen talked about
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significantly broadening the ground operation in gaza, asking soldiers, israeli soldiers to be prepared for that. a member of parliament is talking about the next faze. what is the next phase? what the broadening it mean? >> i'm not going to talk about specific military operations. israel is doing what any other country would do and the u.s. would do if any percent of your country were under fire and you have 60 or 90 seconds to get to a bomb shelter. if they come in and explode your kindergartens and massacre your people and kidnap american citizens, you would take action. if america was attacked by land, by sea, by air, you would take action. israel is taking action to neutralize this threat and i'm not going to get into the specifics. obviously, we hope we can get a sustainable quiet as soon as possible. i think the only path to do that is adopting the egyptian
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initiative that has no conditions except to try to begin to address, have a cease-fire, a cessation of hostility and try to address the two underlining issues here. security for israel, demilitarizing them and social economic relief for the palestinians. i think the two are intertwined. you can't get social oreck nomic relief for gaza without a militarization. all the money, all the concrete, all the cement will not be used to offer relief to the people of gaza, but build more tunnels and more rockets and more missiles. we need it. that's critical. >> do you disagree with the characterization that israel is thinking about significantly broadening its operation in gaza? >> candy, we will take what action is necessary to defend
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our people. >> okay. >> both in the tactical sense and strategical sense. >> is the goal for israel to shut down all the tunnels and stop hamas from its constant firing of rockets into israel, sort of destroy their infrastructure or something short of that? >> well, i would say we want to stop firing rockets for sure. we want to dismantle the tunnel, the terror tunnel network we uncovered. i don't know if we'll have 100% success. our soldiers are dealing with it now. you know what the tunnels are? hamas received international aid from the ka tarryes and others and received a lot of money. people said to us, concrete and cement to build gaza, build schools, build hospitals and so on. they took all that cement and
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built this vast tunnel network penetrating into israel so they can come out under our towns, our cities, our schools and explode our children. explode our kindergarten. they took money meant to build kindergartens for israeli children and used it to explode ours. this is a nonstarter. it has to stop. i think one of the things we are dealing with right now is how to dismantle this tunnel network that are forces are visibly engaging in. i don't think we'll have 100% success, but we'll have major success. we have -- >> major inroads on that. mr. prime minister, you know there is a battle on the ground and then there is a battle in the headlines. my question to you is whether given the demonstrations we are seeing in the west bank and the anti-israeli rallies we are
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seeing in some areas of the west, do you think you are -- are you worried you are making more enemies than you are killing? >> well, hamas is betting on this. they are betting on the fact they don't have the context and can hoodwink people and mislead the world. i would like to blow up the west bank. there's no question about it. i think president abass is charged with the responsibility of keeping things under control there because hamas would like to have explosions there as well. secondly, these are the world opinion. the world is responding to something that is heart wrenching, any civilian casualty. we don't want to see a civilian casualty. we are faced with a ruthless terrorist enemy that, you know, they have accused the united states of killing, recognized as a terrorist organization by the
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united states and the eu and anybody with a right mind understands this. they don't care about not only targeting our civilians but hiding behind theirs as human shields. when we asked the palestinians to leave, hamas is telling them to stay. why are they telling them to stay? they want to pile up more and more dead bodies. when you look at the civilian toll, which is what people are responding to, i ask decent people everywhere to remember this, hamas is responsible for that. hamas is responsible and hamas should held accountable for the civilian deaths. >> yes, it is a fact and people have shown that hamas hides weaponry in schools, it does urgency v civilians to stay. but does all of that in your mind, relieve israel of its stated desire not to have any
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harm come to civilians? is there something more you could be doing looking at what we are seeing going on in gaza in terms of the victims? >> candy, we are doing everything we can. the history of warfare has not yet enabled any army, any civilized army. the army of the democracy like israel to be able to deal with a ruthless terrorist enemy that uses civilians as a human shield without having some incidental civilian casualties. israel does not target a single civilian. if you think of what you would do under similar circumstances, you would act the same way. in countries have. i think this is -- >> but you know the civilians were there. my question is, if you know that civilians are there, along with,
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int intermingled with hamas, could more precision be figured out? >> we are doing exactly that. we are doing exactly that. remember, hamas is firing at our cities and our people. firing from these areas, from these homes, from these schools, mosques, hospitals. they are using them as weapon storage, command post and firing positions. right next to them, so, what would you do? do you say we can't do anything because they are hiding behind civilians? that is their thing. if you say democracies, a legitimate democracy cannot act against a terrorist organization, therefore it should absorb attacks on their own forces, you are giving them a tremendous victory. i think that's wrong. you want to minimize, as we do,
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in any way we can, civilian casualties. we don't target civilians. you don't want to give the terrorists that. i don't think americans or europeans or asians or anyone else would want to have this established as a principal. it's deadly for the world. >> prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, i thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you, candy. good to talk to you. >> i want to now bring in mohamed, a senior adviser to president mahmoud abass. my first question to you is about the cease-fire. i think you heard the israeli prime minister say, you know, hamas is already violating their own cease-fire because they are still firing in gaza. what is your reaction? >> well, my reaction is that
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since this morning, while israel is claiming it is abiding by the cease-fire, six palestinians have been killed including a nurse in one of the clinics in gaza. so, by all means, we are very much entrusted to see an end to the israel aggression. as i understand, the efforts is yielding fruits. they will be palestinian form by president abass going to cairo to negotiate the terms of the cease-fire. by all means, if the israeli army is going to be stationed where it is and continue shelling, yesterday, israel is endangering the humanetarian cease-fire, a timing cease-fire, whether it is a long lasting cease-fire, the israeli army should not stay where it is now because they are now -- the total area of the gaza strip, which is no more than 370 square
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kilometers with 1.9 million palestinians living in that very small territory. >> i just want to go back to something you said. did you say president abass is going to cairo? that's my first question, along with the palestinian delegation and my second is ha mass said, you know, doesn't like the new government in cairo. what makes you think, since their turned down the first egyptian offer at a peace agreement, a truce, what makes you think hamas would go for one now? >> well, the president is formiform ing delegation, not leaving a delegation. he is going to cairo. in the coming few hours, we will be receiving the final answer from hamas. they are now meeting in ka tar and we will receive the answer. the important thing is this
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aggression that israel is taking, totally unjustified because we know, today, the israeli chief police said nobody has claimed responsibility of the killing of the three that caused all of this aggression on gaza. israel has a hidden agenda to destroy and to totally destroy what has been signed by the formation of an agreed upon palestinian government. israel wanted to keep gaza separate from the territory because of this aggression is unjustified. i was shocked that the prime minister was speaking about avoiding civilians and so on. those who have been killed in gaza are civilians, women, children, men. 80% of them -- innocent people.
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they are claiming they are sending messages to them and these people have no place to go, even a school was bombarded by the israeli army. >> what is the hamas responsibility here? i ask you that because it does -- it has sent a couple thousand rockets into israel since this whole thing started. it does it rather routinely over time. have the palestinians or the palestinian authority urged hamas to stop. stop putting weapons in schools. stop telling people to stay when israel told them to go? is there a hamas responsibility for this that the palestinian authority is doing anything about or urging them to do anything about? >> not only that, not only that, president abass has actually come to terms with hamas that
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they are accepting a two-state solution. they are quiet. this long-term quietness. all that brings it to israel is to achieve this. we have formed a palestinian agreed government with hamas and the palestinian authority here was taking over gaza. so, we were designing a very well orchestrated palestinian reconciliation on the terms, on our terms, not on the hamas terms. the whole world welcomed the palestinian government. the only country that rejected it, that worked against it, that fought to destroy it is israel. this is the most important bond in the israeli agenda. >> has hamas -- >> claim that hamas has launched 2,000 rockets from gaza into israel. i would like to ask the israels
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how many civilian israeli's have been killed? one single person. the other was an asian worker. 30 of those killed are israeli soldiers working in gaza. let's not exaggerate the issue of the israeli fear and they have 60 minutes to go into hiding and so on. >> so, just quickly, sir, are you telling me that hamas -- that the palestinian authority said to hamas, stop the shelling, stop putting your weaponry in schools and hasn't recognized israel's right to exist? >> by all means. we wanted the situation to be very quiet. we want peace and we want to come to terms with the israelis. unfortunately, i should be frank here and tell you that the israelis who have totally pushed the peace talks to failure on the 29th of april. the israelis who shifted the button from the west bank to
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gaza. israel wanted to get out of the political corner that it was put into by the community by the friends and political arena. israel wanted to drag us into a square in order to self-liberate. this is what is happening now. the israelis wanted to sabotage the palestinians. the whole gaza strip has been under total siege for seven years. people have not been able to move out of gaza. >> right. >> palestinians in gaza don't know what jerusalem looks like. palestinians in gaza don't know what the rest of the world looks like. they have been under tight siege. if you put any human being in a siege, he will react. what is the way out for all of this misery is that israel should end its siege on the palestinians whether in the west bank or gaza or jerusalem and
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allow the peace talks to continue. israel has to accommodate the palestinian demands and aspirations for ending occupation and the establishment by the palestinian state. that is the only answer. the israeli aggression on gaza does not bring peace. israel might enjoy another one or two years of cease-fire. that is not what we want. >> a larger piece. >> we want the palestinian refugees 62% of those who are living in the gaza strip are refugees. in order for us to live with dignity as human beings side by side with the israeli state. >> let's hope that you can get to cairo and at least for awhile, a cease-fire can be put in place and on to a larger piece. thank you so much. we appreciate your time today. the pentagon says russia is giving more fire power to the
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too dangerous to access. i'm joined by ukraines foreign minister. welcome to washington. >> good morning. >> this crash site has been unsecured because of the russian backed rebel held territory. is ukraine capable of securing that crash site on its own? >> it's exactly what we have been trying to achieve. we have been negotiating around the clock with a group. promises which were broken in a couple of hours. exactly at this moment, right now, the terrorists fight -- our australian partners and our ukrainian experts to the crash site because their way is simply to disrupt the passage and to write out any sort of traces at
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the crash site. >> do you have the fire power? do you have the military might to push them away from the crash site? >> but, if you do that, theoretically, of course, but if you do that, all the traces would be disrupted. the cease-fire for the whole zone of crash site. it's a unilateral cease-fire. it's a gesture from our side. the terrorists are not ready to take it on. >> there's still body parts. as you say, they looted, as far as we know, took credit cards, went through people's luggage, disturbed the crash site. all that evidence may be gone anyway. is that not worth breaking your cease-fire because they don't have a cease-fire and there is some urgencies to bring this
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no cease-fire between israelis and palestinians. vladimir putin pushing it on ukraine and libya, again, too dangerous for american personnel. i'm joined by u.s. deputy national security adviser, ben rods.
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it is mind boggling to me that 17 countries lost civilians over a war zone. you know, they are headed for vacation or school or whatever and not a single one of them stepped up to say rebels go away. we are coming in, back away from this plane and we will secure it. >> well, candy, what we have been doing is working through the u.n. to get access to the crash site. the disturb and the australians stepped up to the plate. they have offered to provide police to help secure the crash site. president obama has been in touch with the prime minister of the netherlands and in touch with his counter part, abbott. we are supporting negotiating with the ukrainians to get access to the site to provide security. >> you think they would send troops or police or whatever you want to call them and they could secure it. how soon? >> well, there are active negotiations with the ukraini s ukrainians. these are police forces, not military. >> they are already in ukraine
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and could go? >> some of them are already there. there are additional police that could be available. the goal is to get access to the site to tell us important things about the investigation to recover remains out there, given how important it is to all the countries involved. the dutch and australians have police available to do that. >> is the white house thinking of giving ukraine lethal weapons and intelligence to deal with the flood of weaponry? >> we are focused on a number of things. we have provided a number of communications gear, night vision goggles. >> they said we need lethal weapons. >> we initiated a discussion with them so they have more modernized professionalized security forces so they can provide for security in the country. we are focused on securing the border. it will be ukrainians in the lead. they have made significant gains against the separatists.
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that's why we think russia started to flow in the heavy weapons. >> is that a yes, you are thinking of giving them lethal weapons and training them so they can do -- we don't want to put troops on the ground and neither does anybody else. you are thinking about lethal weapons, more intelligence for them? >> we don't rule anything out. we haven't made a decision. we provide intelligence. we think the best thing the united states can do is send a message to russia through strong sanctions, coordinated with the europeans. i expect in the coming days, the europeans will move out on stronger sanctions. >> as strong as you want europe to be? >> we think so. >> you think angela merkel will put as risk stiff sanctions like the president is calling for? >> yes. the president has spoken to the leaders. they indicated at the european council, the energy sector, arms
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sector is on the table for sanctions. we are going to continue to develop that. we are prepared to do additional things with russia. we are confident there's going to be strong action. >> hillary clinton said russia bears some responsibility for bringing down this malaysian flight. is that where the u.s. government is? >> absolutely. they trained these separatists and arm them. clearly, we believe they are responsible for the shootdown of the plane that came from russian backed separatist areas with surface-to-air missiles. >> the president says he will hold responsible those who have done it. by that, you believe more sanctions is the way to go even though they haven't moved them yet? >> they have had an impact. we have seen $100 billion of capital flow. >> he's putting more equipment into ukraine, not less. >> which is why we believe there needs to be additional action. >> how soon? >> europe is committed to doing
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something by the end of july. that would be by the end of the week. we will co--ordinate with them. >> the report that the content of one of the black boxes we veals an air strike, is that so? >> all the evidence we have seen is a scenario where it was a missile strike. >> is that a yes? >> i haven't personally reviewed the data. my understanding is it chas the same information. >> obama said israel has a right to defend itself. is there any way it can go too far in defending itself? i talked to the prime minister, there's a battle on the ground and in the headlines and losing the battle in the headlines. >> the basic principle holds. they have a right to defend themselves. hamas is responsible for the conflict. israel needs to take care to
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avoid civilian casualties and the loss of life on both sides. >> the prime minister told me, they are doing everything they can. do you think that's so? >> i think you can always do more. the u.s. military does more. we go to great lengths. we don't have a perfect record. we believe in densely populated areas like this. you have to go the extra mile to avoid loss of life. the best way to do that is through a cease-fire. we focused our diplomatic efforts to get a calm and negotiate a comprehensive cease-fire. >> what do you know about the palestinian authority is doing, trying to bring about? we heard about a meeting hamas is having right now of the possibility the palestinian authority under the abbas name goes to cairo, something the u.s. supports. >> what secretary kerry was focused on in his meetings with the israelis is can we get a common place to stop the violence and have a further negotiation under the egyptian lead in cairo that can bring
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together israel and the palestinians and other players in support of a cease-fire that gets to the issues like hamas' military capabilities and the humanitarian in gaza. >> the u.s. had to evacuate personnel in libya in an urgent manner because things are so dangerous in tripoli. how can we look at it as anything other than the failure after gadhafi was taken? >> you have militia's fighting in the area. not an attack on the embassy, but violence. we moved the u.s. diplomats out. >> i get that. the question is, did the u.s. not pay enough attention to work with the groups to get a solid, stable government in place after it helped undo gadhafi? >> what he left is an empty shell of a government. he never built a state or institutions of a state. you have the militia's in place. we are going to keep our
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ambassador in malta. we have an envoy that brokers those programs among the libyan factions. president obama will delegate the african leaders in the coming week. we are going to keep working on it. we believe there's a huge opportunity to bring the factions together. >> not a failure of u.s. policy? >> again, it points out the difficulties of a post-conflict situation. we have to get better, though. i would acknowledge, working with the europeans and trying to integrate these into what can be a national libyan force. >> ben, thank you for coming. >> thank you. they used to call the president the leader of the western world. the west doesn't seem to want to follow anymore. is that about this president or this day and age? we ask house democratic leader, nancy pelosi, she's next. business, with startup ny.e're we've created tax free zones throughout the state.
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with me now on a busy sunday morning, nancy pelosi, it's very good to see you. >> good morning. >> i want to talk about
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presidential leadsership. growing up, the western world now we have the superpower. the president is taking a lot of criticism for sitting on the sidelines. he's out fund raising and the world seems to be blowing up. i know you were with him at a couple fund-raisers. the optics of this, you know, photo-ops matter. have their errored, the white house on this? >> let me disagree with when we were growing up, you after me, we were in a bipolar word. it's a more complicated situation now. the president's leadership has been strong. the issues you are dealing with this morning, the president was in the lead on supporting iron dome and asking for more resources now to help israel defend itself, which it has as right to do. in the lead for asking for humanitarian assistance for the
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people, $47 million to go through the u.n. to help those calling upon others to help negotiate not only a cease-fire, but a peace there. the president and secretary kerry's presence there is a manifestation of the president's commitment because it's a sustained high level commitment of the secretary of state representing the administration. when it came to ukraine, the president, early on, called for sanctions. then last wednesday, before the plane was shot down, the president asked for sector sanctions, even stronger ones. >> the notion that putin sort of sized up president obama and said, he backed off on syria, he's playing footsy with iran, he's not going to stop me. is anything going to happen that would dissuade him from that? >> putin is going to do what
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putin is going to do. as the president said, russia is now a regional power. some of what we see comes from insecurity. putin, for all of his -- is insecure about russia's role in the world now. what's happened in eastern ukraine, the shooting to begin with, the aggression, then the complicity. by the way, the administration early on getting out saying we have the intelligence to say that these rockets had a prevalence in russia as well as the ability to launch them. so, nobody is missing in action in all of this. as far as putin is concerned, he's a kgb guy, the president of russia and he's going to do what he's going to do no matter who else is in charge any place in the world. i would not judge his actions or his motivations by anything
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other than he is rooted in the kgb, insecure about russia's diminished role in the world. >> certainly closing waves in the world. i want to move to the middle east and ask you your comfort level with what you are seeing on television. again, the headlines versus the ground. >> again, as we all have said, any country has a right to defend itself when it is under assault and so, too, does israel. you have been there. you know the proximity. everything is very, very close to each other. so, a threat is a proximate threat. it's there. again, i repeat, thank god for iron dome that diminished the casualties that would have been caused if these rockets or missiles were coming in -- >> have they gone too far? does it look as though israel has gone too far? you heard ben, the president's national security adviser, we
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told them they should be doing more. should israel be doing more to protect civilians in gaza? >> war is a deadly thing. i have many palestinians living in my district and i am hearing how their families are affected who live in the region. it's a terrible thing. any missile that comes from someplace has a return address. if israel is responding to that address, then that's a shame that the palestinians are use ing -- are rumored to be using children and families as their shields for missiles. should we all try to, first of all, avoid conflict, hamas initiated this. this is something we try to have a two-state solution, we have to support abbas and his role. we have to protect the israelis from the missiles and the palestinians and what they need.
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we have to confirm with those who told me over and over again hamas is a humanitarian organization, maybe they could use their influence to >> we've had that discussion. >> i have to leave it there. i hope you will come back and we will talk politics and mid-term and all kinds of things going on. >> i think it's important to note though, that through all of this, the republicans are trying to sue the president on a path to impeach the president while we're trying to create jobs and have stability in our country and in the world. i'm sorry that we didn't get a chance to talk more about that. >> we will do that the next time, i promise. thank you so much. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. vladimir putin's approval is sky-high in russia. does that make him immune to the effect of western sanctions? senator lindsey graham is next.
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with me now, senator lindsey graham of the armed services committee. senator, it is good to see you and thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. >> i want to talk to you first about this notion of leadership and the idea that the world really has changed. it's not as simple as the bad guys are in the soviet bloc and behind the iron curtain and the good guys are in the west. it is now a very complicated world which kind of defies a title of leader of the western
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world. how much of this do you ascribe to changing times? >> i think what we've learned from these changing times, without american leadership the world disintegrates pretty rapidly. i said last week, america is the glue that holds the free world together. when you see us missi ining or as president obama's been, you see fracturing on multiple fronts. russia is more aggressive, not less. the sanctions clearly are not working. hamas is demanding open borders. show me a statement by hamas leadership that recognizes the right for israel to resist, then i would consider that request. these are stark contrast and we're not responding. passive responses to naked aggression all over the world is our foreign policy. look what isis has been able to do in syria and iraq. without american leadership, the world gets to be a very dangerous place and our allies,
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like israel and ukraine, suffer. >> well, you know, i think that the white house would argue, and has argued and said, first of all, it now sounds as though they've finally gotten the european allies, including germany, to agree to stiffen up their sanctions because, in the end, it's more their problem in their backyard than in the u.s. backyard. as far as putin is concerned, he may be immune to sanctions, but that's hardly the president's fault. has he not led in sanctions? the u.s. has upped them and upped them and upped them and europe has failed to follow until apparently now. >> well, let's look at it this way. russia has dismembered the ukrai ukraine, a neighboring nation. it is indim tating its neighbors. russia has seized territory from the ukraine. here's what i fear with this passive response. with the ukraine, if it could go back in time, would they give up nuclear weapons? this lack of decisive action.
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the ukraine has asked for weapons to defend itself for months and we're still thinking about it. the europeans can't lead without america setting the standard. they're a dysfunctional political organization, europe is. without american leadership organizing europe and the world you see people like putin who has an economy the size of italy. he's playing a poke of game with a pair of 2s, and winning. you see iraq and syria become safe havens for some of the most deadliest terrorists in the world who directly threaten our homeland. >> senator, what would you have him do? you want a more aggressive response. he's been talking to the european allies. we don't -- no one here i think -- >> i can respond? >> yes. >> i would come to congress and i'd ask for additional sanctions on the entire russian economy, putin included. i would come to congress and ask for money to equip and train the
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ukrainian military. when it came to israel, i would condemn the u.n. human rights report that holds his role responsible for the activity here. the u.n. humans right report is a joke. the union has become a more a i anti-israeli. we're going to push back against this report. when it comes to syria and iraq, i would come up with a military game plan in coordination with the regional allies to stop isis from growing in strength. i would push political reconciliation in baghdad but i'd come up with a military plan to stop these terrorist organizations from growing in strength before they hit our homeland. >> senator graham, i'm afraid i will have to stop it there before i run into fareed's show but i want to thank you very much for taking time out of your day. i appreciate it. i hope you will come back and we'll be right back.
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thank you for watching "state of the union." fareed zakaria starts right now with hillary clinton for the hour. this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we have a very special show for you this week. we will spend most of it with hillary clinton, the former secretary of state and potential future president of the united states. >> what do we stand for and how do we intend to lead and manage? >> we'll talk about the downing of malaysian airlines flight 17 and its aftermath. >> vladimir putin certainly indirectly bears responsibility for what happened to the shoot-down of the airline. >